New York, February,
2001 [Photos
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the BUNKER By John Sack The
people who believe that the Holocaust
did not happen meet regularly, in
secret, to exchange theories and
research. Are they anti-Semites, or are
they just horribly mistaken? The author
went to find out. The last thing he
expected was to like them. CHARLES "CHUCK" PROVAN "Be fruitful
arid multiply," says Genesis, arid Chuck
Proven, whose parents sent him to Bob
Jones University, has fairly belabored the
biblical verse. Missing from the
photograph are Matthias and Nathanael,
kids number one and two. Proven's friends
no longer ask him, "What are you raising?
A baseball team?" since Proven has just
delivered (without any doctor's help) his
tenth, whose name is Gideon. All are
unplanned, "Whatever shows up, we accept
it," says Proven, "If God can make them,
then God can feed them. And my own problem
isn't too little food. It's too much." A
man given to fierce obsessions, Proven
once wrote a booklet called The Bible and
Birth Control. (As you might have guessed,
he was for the former, against the
latter.) Another obsession was the
American pilots in Manila at the start of
World War II, and another was the
Holocaust and whether it really happened.
Proven always believed the Germans had
operated death camps, but he believed the
toll was vastly exaggerated. He thought
the number of Jews who died was one to one
and a half million. Then, with the help of
his children, he had a revelation in
December 1990 and soon concluded that the
number who died was seven to seven and a
half million. "Provan is a congenital
liar," one Holocaust denier wrote of this
sudden apostate. "Never have I come across
anyone dopier than Provan." The people who say the Holocaust didn't
happen asked me to speak at their recent
international conference. The invitation
surprised me, for I am a Jew who's written
about the Holocaust and (for chrissakes, I
feel like adding) certainly hasn't denied
it. To my eyes, however, the invitation,
which came from the Institute for
Historical Review in Orange County,
California, the central asylum for the
delusion that the Germans didn't kill any
Jews and that the Holocaust is, quote
unquote, the Hoax of the Twentieth
Century, was not just a wonderment; it was
also a golden opportunity, a golden-
engraved temptation. We journalists
usually sit at the outer edge of
occasions: behind the bar in courtrooms,
far off the floor of Congress, well out of
passing or pitching range at football or
baseball games. We are the beggars at
banquet halls, waiting for the brass bell
and the two-second bite, and the institute
offered me what every journalist hungers
for: the feast of unhampered access. Its
letter was a safe-conduct pass to a
country so fogbound that you and I can't
discern it. Who are the Holocaust deniers?
What are they like behind closed doors?
And why are they motionless stones as
avalanches of evidence crash onto them,
roaring, You're wrong, you're wrong? I'd
been invited to mingle with them like a
mole in Hitler's Eagle's Nest and then
ascend to a lectern to tell them off, and
I wrote the institute saying that, yes,
I'd come. I flew on a Friday to John Wayne
Airport in Orange County and called up the
institute, asking, "Where will the
conference be?" Until then I hadn't known,
for the institute feared that I might
divulge it to the Jewish Defense League, a
group the FBI has called active
terrorists, and that the league might
initiate violence. it had done so at other
conferences to other speakers. One had
been punched, punched by a fist also
holding a cherry pie, one had been beaten
up, and one had been beaten up in Paris,
Vichy, Lyon, and Stockholm. A man who's
older than me -- I'm seventy-this last man
had been maced, thrown to the ground, and
kicked in the head because of his
imprudent belief that the Holocaust didn't
take place. For six weeks his jaw had been
wired and he'd eaten through a soda straw.
All three men, the leading lights of
denial, would speak at this weekend's
conference, and the institute didn't want
to see their freedom of speech or their
bodies imperiled by Jews who conducted
chants of "Nazis!" "Neo-Nazis!" or "Anti-
Semites!" or by Jews who threw punches. On
the phone, an institute employee told me
where the conference was but said, "Don't
tell anyone." Knowing where to go, I took a courtesy
van to a palm-filled hotel with a Japanese
footbridge over a rambling pool, the sun
glinting off its rippling water. A few
deniers (who'd also called up the
institute and been told, "Don't tell")
were down in the open-air lobby, making
hollow jokes about the threat, possibly
imminent, possibly not, of the Jewish
Defense League. "I'm checking everything
out," a man from Adelaide, Australia,
laughed to me. - "Should I have concerns about my
security here?" a tall and
broad-shouldered man from New York, an
Italian, asked me.
- "Are you concerned about it?"
- "Now that I'm out of the closet,
yes. The people around me say I should
be. Do you think my life's in jeopardy
here?"
- "We'll soon find out," I said. "The
Jewish Defense League is right here in
California and, I'm sure, know we're
around."
- "Heh," said the man from New
York.
By
six o'clock the lobby was full. The
deniers (by Saturday there'd be 140) were
about three quarters men and one quarter
women. Most were white, but one was
African-American. One was bald, but none
were razor-shaved skinheads. Many wore
beards, one a white bushy one like Santa
Claus's. Most wore slacks and
short-sleeved shirts, but a few wore
jackets, blazers, or business suits, one a
safari suit, and one a white suit like
Mark Twain's. TWO wore T-shirts that said,
NO HOLES? NO
HOLOCAUST! a text whose exegesis
I'd get on Saturday. The conversations I
heard were about nutrition ("I was raised
on raw milk") and about paddle wheelers
("You know, like in Show Boat. You haven't
seen it? I suggest you rent it"). All in
all, the deniers that day and that weekend
seemed the most middling of Middle
Americans. Or better: Despite their take
on the Holocaust, they were affable,
open-minded, intelligent, intellectual.
Their eyes weren't fires of unapproachable
certitude, and their lips weren't lemon
twists of astringent hate. Nazis and
neo-Nazis they didn't seem to be. Nor did they seem anti-Semites. I'm
sure many anti-Semites say the Holocaust
didn't happen (even as they take delight
that it really did), but I don't believe I
met any that weekend. The only debatably
anti-Semitic comment that I heard was on
Friday night, when I dined in the
downstairs restaurant with a prominent
denier in a NO HOLES? NO
HOLOCAUST! shirt, an Alabama man
whose name is Dr. Robert Countess. A
gangling scholar of classical Greek and
classical Hebrew, he had taught history at
the University of Alabama and had retired
to a farm outside of Huntsville, where he
plays major league Ping-Pong and collects
old Peugeots; he has twenty-two, some
datingback to the Crash. While scarcely
cranky, he had a cranky-sounding voice,
and in the open-air restaurant he was
practically grinding gears as he
discoursed on the Septuagint and as I, not
Countess, brought up the Jewish sacred
scrolls, the Talmud. "What's called the
Talmud," Countess lectured-"talmud being
the participle form of lamad, in Hebrew,
learn-developed in Babylonia as rabbis
reflected on certain passages in the
Torah. Some of these rabbis engaged in a
syncretism, a bringing together, of
Babylonian paganism with the religion of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So if you read
much of the Talmud, and Elda will tell you
her favorite story-" "No," said Elda, Countess's wife, who
was dining with us. "It's unbelievable, but it's in the
Talmud," said Countess.
DR. ROBERT COUNTESS, Columbus
discovered America. Luther posted his
Theses. Watt invented the steam engine.
Hitler invaded Poland. In 1987, Dr. Robert
Countess was teaching the second half of a
survey course on world history at the
University of Alabama, Huntsville, when he
became intrigued by The Hoax of the
Twentieth Century, a Holocaust-didn't
happen book by Arthur Butz. He made it
required reading for his students, and he
ordered fifteen copies from the Institute
for Historical Review. A few days later
there came a call from the institute. "Why
did you order so many copies?" "I'm
assigning it in History 102." "What does
the chairman of the history department
say?" "Nothing. I'm the professor, and I
can teach the class as I choose." "Do you
know this is a first?" Other professors,
like one at Indiana, had assigned or
lectured about this book, and all had been
fired or disciplined for doing so, 11 In
time Countess was an the institute's board
of directors. He believes that Hitler
wanted the Jews out of Europe hut that he
didn't order their extermination, that the
Germans had no homicidal gas chambers at
any of their concentration camps, and that
the number of Jews who died from all
causes in World War Il wasn't six million
but somewhere between several hundred
thousand and one and a half million. "No, no. I don't want to tell it", said
Elda, embarrassed. "Go ahead and tell it," Countess
entreated. "Well," said Elda, blushing, "it's in
the Talmud that if a Jewish man's
repairing the roof, and if his
sister-in-law is down below, and if he
falls onto her and she becomes
pregnant-" "He falls off the roof in such a way-"
Countess said, laughing. "Can you picture it? Then the child
won't be a bastard," said Elda. The tale
would be anti-Semitic rubbish if it
weren't indeed in the Talmud (in Yevamot,
and again in Bava Kamma) and if the
Countesses were just amused and not also
appalled. "You and I laugh about this,"
said Countess, "but I sit in stark
amazement saying, Jews aren't stupid
people! How can they go along with
this?"
ERNST ZÜNDEL Born in Germany,
starting school at the and of World War
II, trained as a graphic artist and photo
retoucher, Zündel emigrated to Canada
at age nineteen and quickly encountered
culture shock. In movies and an TV, the
Germans he saw were travesties of the
Germans he'd known. A "documentary" on
World Way II showed Germans lending by
submarine in Hudson Bay and, disguised as
Mennonites, going south to make mischief
in Manitoba. Zündel says he felt in
Canada like a Jew in 1930s Germany, and he
led pickets at movie theaters protesting
what he saw as German hatred. 11 In the
1960s he read a book called The Auschwitz
Lie, by Thies Christophersen, and became
an outspoken denier. Though he hadn't been
tried, the Canadian postal service refused
to deliver mail to or accept mail from
him. Then Canada took him to criminal
court on a charge of "spreading false
news," an English law from the twelfth
century. He was sentenced to fifteen
months, but the supreme court of Canada
voided this. Then he was tried again and
sentenced to nine months, but the supreme
court reversed this, too. Now, twelve
years later, Zündel, who lives in
Toronto, is on trial before the Canadian
Human Rights Commission. His crime:
exposing the Jews to hatred or contempt.
He is pictured with Ingrid Rimland, a
friend and supporter who runs the
Zündel site an the Internet from a
secret location in Tennessee. "The answer is, We don't," I explained.
By bedtime on Friday, my impression of the
Countesses was like my impression of UFO
devotees. Everyone in America believes in
one or another ridiculous thing. Me, I
belong to the International Society for
Cryptozoology, and I firmly believe that
in Lake Tele, in the heart of the Congo,
there is a living, breathing dinosaur.
Admittedly, this is trivial compared with
Holocaust denial, but fifteen years ago I
even went to the Congo to photograph it. I
didn't-I didn't even see it-but I still
believe in it. other people believe more
momentous things, and the Countesses and
the other deniers believe that the
Holocaust didn't happen. Like me in the
Congo, they're wrong, wrong, wrong, but to
say that emphatically isn't to say (as
some people do) that they're odious,
contemptible, despicable. To say that
they're rats (as does Deborah Lipstadt,
the author of Denying the Holocaust) is no
more correct than to say it of people who,
in their ignorance, believe the less
pernicious fallacy that Oswald didn't kill
Kennedy. The conference started on Saturday. In
the center of the lobby stood a Kentia
palm and in concentric circles around it
were peace lilies, crotons, bird-
of-paradise flowers, and happy
conferencegoers. Young and old, they
talked like any Americans at any
professional conference; they talked of
the weather, their homes, their children
("One is a lawyer, another a businessman.
For their sake I'm still in the closet").
on the hour, more and more were wearing
the NO HOLES? NO HOLOCAUST! shirts in red,
green, and gray as they seated themselves
on bridge chairs to listen to speakers in
the shuttered darkness of the garden
ballroom. "It's one heck of a nice
conference," I heard someone say. Now about "No holes? No Holocaust! -
the first thing to know is that no one at
that palm-filled hotel would deny that
Hitler hated the Jews, that Hitler sent
them to concentration camps, and that
Hitler said, "I want to annihilate the
Jews" as hundreds of thousands died in (as
one denier called them) godforsaken
hellholes like Auschwitz. it may surprise
you, but no one at that hotel would deny
that hundreds of thousands of Jews died of
typhus, dysentery, starvation, and
exhaustion at Auschwitz or that their
corpses went to the constant flames of
five crematoriums night and day. These
deniers even call this the Holocaust. What
they deny is that some of the Jews died of
something other than natural causes, that
some went to rooms that the Germans poured
cyanide (or at four other camps, carbon
monoxide) into. The Jews, say the
Holocaust deniers, weren't murdered, and
the Germans didn't deliberately murder
them. Tens of thousands of witnesses
disagree. Jews who once stood at the
railroad depot at Auschwitz say that the
Germans told them, "Go right," and told
their mothers, fathers, and children, "Go
left," and say that they never saw those
mothers, fathers, and children again. I
and the rest of the world believe that the
Jews who went left went to cyanide
chambers, but the deniers believe they
went to other parts of Auschwitz or, by
train, to other concentration camps. "Part
of the Jews remained in Auschwitz," a
speaker (another scholar, a man who speaks
seventeen languages, including Chinese)
said at the ballroom lectern one day. "The
rest were transported farther. Many opted
to stay in the Soviet Union." Tens of
thousands of witnesses saw the cyanide
chambers, too, saw the lilac-colored
cyanide pellets cascade onto the Jews, but
almost all of these witnesses died in five
minutes, without being able to testify to
it. A few indeed testified, among them two
Auschwitz commandants. One said that
children under twelve and people over
fifty-five were cyanided daily, and one
said, "At least 2,500,000 victims were
executed by gassing," then backed off to
11200,000. Some doctors at Auschwitz
testified. one doctor said, "When the
doors were opened, bodies fell out," and
one doctor said, "The Inferno, by Dante,
is in comparison almost comedy." Some Jews
who toted bodies to the crematoriums
testified. one said, "We found heaps of
naked bodies, doubled up. They were
pinkish and in places red. Some were
covered with greenish marks, and saliva
ran from their mouths. Others were
bleeding from the nose. There was
excrement on many of them," and one said,
"We were met by the sight of the dead
bodies lying higgledy-piggledy. I was
petrified." To this abundant evidence the Holocaust
deniers say-and they're right-that one
Auschwitz commandant confessed after he
was tortured and that the other reports
are full of bias, rumors, exaggerations,
and other preposterous matters, to quote
the editor of a Jewish magazine five years
after the war. The deniers say, and again
they're right, that the commandants,
doctors, SS, and Jews at Bergen-Belsen,
Buchenwald, and a whole alphabet of camps
testified after the war that there were
cyanide chambers at those camps that all
historians today refute. The
deniers also say that at Auschwitz the
witnesses said that the Germans poured
cyanide pellets through holes in the
chamber roofs-even said that the Germans
joked as they poured, "Na, gib Ihnen
schön zu fressen"-Well, give them
something good to eat. it's there that the
NO HOLES? NO HOLOCAUST! on the T-shirts
comes in. The roofs at Auschwitz still
stand (or, rather, lie collapsed, for the
Germans blew up the buildings in November
1944 so the world wouldn't know), and, the
deniers say, you can't find holes in those
former roofs for the Germans to pour the
cyanide through. Myself, I'd call this one of life's
mysteries, like why there are holes in
Swiss cheese and not in cheddar, but
everyone in the palm-filled hotel made a
tremendous deal of it. One speaker there
was David Irving, the British World War II
historian, a man with a statesman's
bearing, a statesman's elegant pinstripe
suit, and a member of Parliament's
elocution, a man who strung together his
clear definitions, crisp distinctions, and
withering innuendos in parse-perfect
sentences, like graduated pearls. He had
just sued, for libel, the author and
publisher of Denying the Holocaust. The
trial was in London last year. Irving
lost, but not before he invoked the "No
holes? No Holocaust!" argument. On the
stand, a witness for the author and
publisher cited some Auschwitz witnesses,
and Irving, acting as his own attorney,
leaped like a crouching lion. "Professor,"
said Irving, a granite -featured, imposing
man, "we are wasting our time, really, are
we not? There were never any holes in that
roof. There are no holes in that roof
today. They [the Germans] cannot
have poured cyanide capsules through that
roof. You yourself have stood on that roof
and looked for those holes and not found
them. Our experts have stood on that roof
and not found them. The holes were never
there. What do you say to that?" - "The roof is a mess. The roof is
absolutely a mess," said the professor.
"The roof is in fragments."
- "You have been to Auschwitz how
many times?"
- "Sometimes twice or three times
yearly."
- "Have you frequently visited this
roof?"
- "Yes, I have been there, yes."
- "Have you never felt the urge to go
and start scraping where you know those
holes would have been?"
- "The last thing I'd ever have done
is start scraping away.,,
- "How much does an air ticket to
Warsaw cost? $100? $200?"
- "I have no idea."
"If," said Irving triumphantly, "you
were to go to Auschwitz with a trowel and
clean away the gravel and find a
reinforced concrete hole, I would abandon
my action immediately. That would drive
such a hole through my case that I would
have no possible chance of defending
it." Not quite flying to Auschwitz, the
author, the publisher, or the professor
apparently called up the Auschwitz Museum,
for the museum told
the Times of London that it had
started searching for the fabulous holes.
A two-mile drive. A trowel. A camera.
That's what the search entailed, but it's
now nine months later and the museum
hasn't found them.
But lo! Someone
did. Not someone from the Auschwitz
Museum, but Charles "Chuck" Provan, a
letterhead printer in Monongahela,
Pennsylvania, and another scheduled
speaker here in California.
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