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Found book answers question: Yes, Hitler knew about genocide

By Toby Axelrod

BERLIN, March 28 (JTA) -- Hitler knew in detail about the attempted extermination of the Jews. That's according to "Das Buch Hitler" -- "The Hitler Book" -- a newly published German translation of a work written in Russian for the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin in 1949.

David Irving comments:: Repeat: EACH time I read that fresh "concrete evidence" of Adolf Hitler's involvement in the massacre of the Jews has been found, I wait for the inevitable follow up: such evidence has "not been found before." -- It comes along as sure as night follows day.    Each fresh "concrete discovery" thus discredits and invalidates the previous one, and this one too will eventually be discredited, -- not least because we are not shown the original German text of the statements by Günsche and Linge.    But it all goes down very well with the corrupt media world, with you-know-whom, and with the present German regime. No real risk is incurred by any modern German historian in saying these things. And so they get said. Ad nauseam. Ad infinitum. And we get no wiser.    When I first received in the 1960s -- from my friend Lev Bezymenski in Moscow -- parts of the Russian text of this Stalin Hitler-book I put them in writing (translated back into German) to both Linge and Günsche; I also interviewed Günsche closely on Hitler's knowledge of the massacres.    His statements to me were negative -- Hitler had known nothing, had not been involved, there had never been any discussion of this sort of thing at Hitler's headquarters. But then of course I did not beat and torture him, I merely questioned him as any real historian should.    I am surprised and sorry that Matthias Uhl, who is a conformist historian at the Institut für Zeitgeschichte, does not concede, however grudgingly, that I first used this Russian manuscript in the 1960s. My correspondence with Günsche and Linge about its content is in the Sammlung Irving in the IfZ archives. Surely he looked?

Though few have really doubted that Hitler knew about the genocide of European Jewry, the book seeks to make clear that SS chief Heinrich Himmler conferred with Hitler about the details of the mass murder, according to historian Matthias Uhl of the Institute for Contemporary History [Institut für Zeitgeschichte] in Berlin.

An English-language edition of "The Hitler Book" is due out in November.

"The most remarkable thing about the book is the direct connection between Hitler and the Holocaust," Uhl said. "This is the first information showing that Hitler got real information from Himmler on the gas chambers, and that Himmler showed him the sketches of the project of the gas chambers.

"This is the first time that we have this information that Hitler was so involved in the Holocaust."

Not all historians agree that the book offers an important contribution. It's one of several new books focusing on Hitler and the Third Reich, including "Hitler's Bomb," by Berlin historian Rainer Karlsch, about Nazi testing of atomic weapons; and "Hitler's Ethnic State: Robbery, Racial War and National Socialism," by journalist and Hitler expert Goetz Aly.

"I think it's completely insignificant how much Hitler knew of the details of the genocide," said Wolfgang Benz, director of the Center for Research on Anti-Semitism at the Technical University in Berlin.

"It's clear that Hitler knew. And whether he knew about the methods in detail, or if he just told Himmler to get rid of the Jews, it's all the same."

"I consider such books dumb, even if I haven't yet read them," Benz added, because "they keep on adding importance to this figure of Hitler."

"If you take the international scene, I would agree that most historians do know that of course Hitler knew," said rabbi and historian Andreas Nachama, director of the "Topography of Terror" archive and documentation on the history of the Gestapo.

"But German historians are in a class by themselves. They say, 'We haven't seen any proof for that.' So for a German historian that might be of importance," said Nachama, "even though for me personally I never had any doubt that anything important that happened in the Third Reich was basically known to Hitler."

Nachama said he would read the new book with interest.

"But the interrogations were probably done by KGB intelligence personnel, and you have to be in a way cautious with these kinds of sources," he said.

The book, which had been stashed in a Soviet archive for decades, was based on interviews with two of Hitler's aides -- his butler, Heinz Linge, and SS adjutant Otto Günsche, below, who worked as Hitler's assistant for 10 years.

Soviet authorities arrested Linge and Guensche in Berlin on May 2, 1945. The two had been present when Hitler's body was burned in his bunker.

The interviews were conducted while the two men were in Soviet prisons; interviewers got them to talk by beating them, Uhl said.

The resulting text, which Uhl described as "entertainment for Stalin," was completed in December 1949.

"It's a description of how Hitler ruled between 1933 and 1945, Uhl said. "It's a history of Hitler."

Now that it has been made available to the public, the text can help disprove the arguments of some Holocaust revisionists who say Hitler was unaware of the attempted genocide or did not approve of it, Uhl said.

"It's good evidence showing that Hitler was involved in the Holocaust and it is a really good source to stop" the efforts of Irving and others like him," Uhl said.

According to the text, Hitler was personally interested in the development of gas chambers in extermination camps, and Himmler showed him the plans. Hitler even ordered support for engineers building the gas chambers.

In a segment of the book's text cited by Reuters, "Hitler told Himmler to use more trucks with mobile gas chambers so that munitions needed for the troops wouldn't be wasted on shooting Russian" prisoners.

"Himmler reported that the mobile gas chambers were working. He laughed cynically when he said that this method of murder is 'more considerate' and 'quieter' than shooting them," the excerpt continues.

According to the Reuters report, Linge and Günsche said Hitler was not worried when the United States declared war in December 1941, and made jokes about it. Hitler is quoted as saying that American "cars never win races, American planes look sharp but their engines are worthless ..."

Uhl uncovered the book by chance in 2003 while researching Soviet military security policy in the 1960s, when the Berlin Wall was built.

"I found it in a file of the Soviet Central Committee of the Communist Party," he said. He recognized it as a text that had been cited decades ago.

It was known that the document existed, Uhl said, adding that Guensche and Linge had talked about it when they were released from prison and sent back to Germany. But the text apparently had been seen by few people [Website: including David Irving] until now.

"Until the collapse of the Soviet Union, for most historians it was impossible to work in Russian archives," Uhl said. "There is one copy of this book in the archive of the president of the Russian Republic, where only Russian historians can work. The other copy was in a file that was not interesting for historians who deal with the Third Reich and the Holocaust. It was in an area dealing with the 1960s."

Uhl received permission to publish the text from the Russian Archive of Contemporary History, and worked with University of Halle historian Henrik Eberle, who specializes in National Socialist history.

The two historians acknowledge that the information in the report was extracted through torture.

"Of course, the circumstances in the Soviet prison were not very good," Uhl said. "We have information from the document, and from Linge and Günsche, that their Soviet interrogators beat them, and if they talked they got more food and medical help. So it was like the carrot and the stick."

Linge and Günsche were sent back to Germany in 1955. Linge died in 1980, and Guensche died in 2003, shortly before Uhl rediscovered the text.

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